Jared Crozier: Game Day: Ottawa @ St. Loius - where is rock bottom?

Don't worry about rock bottom. Priority is a top draft pick.

Don't screw it up.

Don't worry about rock bottom. Priority is a top draft pick.

Don't screw it up.
- spatso

Pagiroux will look good as a Leaf

Pagiroux will look good as a Leaf
- Tumbleweed

I don't think my heart could take it.

He'd look good anywhere though.

I don't think my heart could take it.

He'd look good anywhere though.
- david22

what do you think he brings back?

what do you think he brings back?
- Tumbleweed

I'm not sure. He's a good third line center, so not a boatload.

In my mind, not enough to make it worth trading him.

I'm not sure. He's a good third line center, so not a boatload.

In my mind, not enough to make it worth trading him.
- david22

eller and shaw both brought back 2 2nds.

i was thinking it would cost similar for pageau.

I'm not sure. He's a good third line center, so not a boatload.

In my mind, not enough to make it worth trading him.
- david22

Sens need to shed salary one way or another. You’re not moving Bobby or Dion, so guys like Pag, Smith, Burrows (a guy can dream) will likely be moved. Also not out of the question that Brassard and Hoffman get moved.

Can replace Pag with an AHL guy fairly seamlessly. Other than his one game a year where he is Wayne Gretzky, he not worth holding on for a retool and considering cap implications.

I'm not sure. He's a good third line center, so not a boatload.

In my mind, not enough to make it worth trading him.
- david22

He's young enough to be part of the rebuild. Probably more valuable than the B list prospect or 2nd round pick you'd get for him.

Sens need to shed salary one way or another. You’re not moving Bobby or Dion, so guys like Pag, Smith, Burrows (a guy can dream) will likely be moved. Also not out of the question that Brassard and Hoffman get moved.

Can replace Pag with an AHL guy fairly seamlessly. Other than his one game a year where he is Wayne Gretzky, he not worth holding on for a retool and considering cap implications.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I understand that Ryan and Phaneuf are never getting moved.

I guess from a salary perspective the move makes more sense.

I'm more thinking he wont fetch back enough to warrant trading a fan favorite.

He's young enough to be part of the rebuild. Probably more valuable than the B list prospect or 2nd round pick you'd get for him.
- AdamFrench

pipe down you.

melnyk might be making hockey decisions based on what he reads here.

Sens need to shed salary one way or another. You’re not moving Bobby or Dion, so guys like Pag, Smith, Burrows (a guy can dream) will likely be moved. Also not out of the question that Brassard and Hoffman get moved.

Can replace Pag with an AHL guy fairly seamlessly. Other than his one game a year where he is Wayne Gretzky, he not worth holding on for a retool and considering cap implications.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I still think moving Hoffman or Brassard is a huge mistake.

Our team needs goals and Hoffman is our best goal scorer
Brassard and Stone have had chemistry that should be kept in tact

I don't think we need a full rebuild, just a bit of retooling
Trade Pag, Smith, Burrows, Johnny O, Ceci. etc

Moving forward you keep building with

Hoffman - Duchene - Ryan
Dzingle - Brassard - Stone

Chabot - Karlsson
Dion - Harpur

and you bring in Brown, White, Chlapik, Dahlin (see what I did there), etc and do some NHL development and then start fresh next year

I still think moving Hoffman or Brassard is a huge mistake.

Our team needs goals and Hoffman is our best goal scorer
Brassard and Stone have had chemistry that should be kept in tact

I don't think we need a full rebuild, just a bit of retooling
Trade Pag, Smith, Burrows, Johnny O, Ceci. etc

Moving forward you keep building with

Hoffman - Duchene - Ryan
Dzingle - Brassard - Stone

Chabot - Karlsson
Dion - Harpur

and you bring in Brown, White, Chlapik, Dahlin (see what I did there), etc and do some NHL development and then start fresh next year
- Maverick1818

Would any team take Oduya, even as a rental?

He's a verteran, but even as as rental 6th D, his numbers haven't been great.

No harm intrying I suppose.

Would any team take Oduya, even as a rental?

He's a verteran, but even as as rental 6th D, his numbers haven't been great.

No harm intrying I suppose.
- david22

Why not, he's got cup experience, even if we traded him as a rental for a super low draft pick, that's still money off our books and maybe we can turn a pick into something. Better than nothing.

Why not, he's got cup experience, even if we traded him as a rental for a super low draft pick, that's still money off our books and maybe we can turn a pick into something. Better than nothing.
- Maverick1818

From the Sens prespective it makes a ton of sense.

It's convincing another team I'd be worried about.

From the Sens prespective it makes a ton of sense.

It's convincing another team I'd be worried about.
- david22

I actually feel like he would be a guy the Blackhawks, leafs or Rangers could use as a cheap one run rental

pipe down you.

melnyk might be making hockey decisions based on what he reads here.
- Tumbleweed

I still think moving Hoffman or Brassard is a huge mistake.

Our team needs goals and Hoffman is our best goal scorer
Brassard and Stone have had chemistry that should be kept in tact

I don't think we need a full rebuild, just a bit of retooling
Trade Pag, Smith, Burrows, Johnny O, Ceci. etc

Moving forward you keep building with

Hoffman - Duchene - Ryan
Dzingle - Brassard - Stone

Chabot - Karlsson
Dion - Harpur

and you bring in Brown, White, Chlapik, Dahlin (see what I did there), etc and do some NHL development and then start fresh next year
- Maverick1818

I agree not moving Hoffman. I'm indifferent for Brassard. Clearing 5 mill (less salary, but still) from the cap can be helpful for next year.

I think you could dish off Johny O to Chicago for "future considerations" or some crap.

I understand that Ryan and Phaneuf are never getting moved.

I guess from a salary perspective the move makes more sense.

I'm more thinking he wont fetch back enough to warrant trading a fan favorite.
- david22

Fan favourite or not, you have to clear out salary somewhere. The team was going to have to do this even if they were winning. So it will just happen a bit sooner than it would have. He’s not that hard to replace. Moving Brassard (not a fan fav for example) would be a little harder to replace.

If this team is going to retool and sign extension to key guys, you have to start shedding salary somewhere.

You can’t keep a guy just because the odds are against you getting the same quality of player with the pick(s) that you will get when you have salary to be concerned about.

I agree not moving Hoffman. I'm indifferent for Brassard. Clearing 5 mill (less salary, but still) from the cap can be helpful for next year.

I think you could dish off Johny O to Chicago for "future considerations" or some crap.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

The biggest reason I say to keep Brassard is that he seems to have the best chemistry with Stone

Hoffman Duchene
Stone Brassard


Seems like a very good one two punch

The biggest reason I say to keep Brassard is that he seems to have the best chemistry with Stone

Hoffman Duchene
Stone Brassard


Seems like a very good one two punch
- Maverick1818

I'd prefer to keep him as well. I like him as a 2nd line centre. He started this year well, but has fallen off a bit. I also don't think he is as "clutch" as the Sens were hoping for when they brought him in.

Sens have to move money. They can only move guys with trade value. He's a candidate to be moved.

Sens need about 4 mill to sign Stone in the summer plus an additional 6 or so mill to sign Karlsson. Something has to give. Tough decisions need to happen.

The powerplay is so ineffective is incredible. The down low triangle has rarely generated a goal over 1.5 seasons. They need a drastic reboot with the PP strategy.

I'd prefer to keep him as well. I like him as a 2nd line centre. He started this year well, but has fallen off a bit. I also don't think he is as "clutch" as the Sens were hoping for when they brought him in.

Sens have to move money. They can only move guys with trade value. He's a candidate to be moved.

Sens need about 4 mill to sign Stone in the summer plus an additional 6 or so mill to sign Karlsson. Something has to give. Tough decisions need to happen.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

okay so we are looking to shed $10 million roughly.

Smith - $3.25 million
JGP - $3.1 Million
Burrows - $2.5 Million
Thompson - $1.65 Million
Dumont - $650 thousand
Oduya - $1 million
Ceci - $2.8 Million

Thats $14.95 Million

Plus Mac's LTIR -$4.65 Million

Should be enough wiggle room in cap space. Plus we could trade for draft picks.

Fan favourite or not, you have to clear out salary somewhere. The team was going to have to do this even if they were winning. So it will just happen a bit sooner than it would have. He’s not that hard to replace. Moving Brassard (not a fan fav for example) would be a little harder to replace.

If this team is going to retool and sign extension to key guys, you have to start shedding salary somewhere.

You can’t keep a guy just because the odds are against you getting the same quality of player with the pick(s) that you will get when you have salary to be concerned about.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Fair point.

It'll break my heart to see him go though

At least they extened burrows though.

What teams would be high on wanting him? St. Louis maybe. (Pageau that is)_

okay so we are looking to shed $10 million roughly.

Smith - $3.25 million
JGP - $3.1 Million
Burrows - $2.5 Million
Thompson - $1.65 Million
Dumont - $650 thousand
Oduya - $1 million
Ceci - $2.8 Million

Thats $14.95 Million

Plus Mac's LTIR -$4.65 Million

Should be enough wiggle room in cap space. Plus we could trade for draft picks.
- Maverick1818

Don’t forget you have to replace players too. Guys like Dumont, Oduya, and Thompson don’t make that much of a difference since they already get paid peanuts.

From your list, you’d have to replace Pag, Burrows, Smith, and Ceci with guys from the minors or bring in something cheap. So average about 1 mill per player.

This is also a 2-season long project. I broke it down in a post a few blogs ago, but essentially it can be done and resign Karlsson, Stone, and Duchene to legitimate deals. I think my estimation require Melnyk/new ownership to shell out a little more than he would like by about a mill or 2. Difficult, but not impossible.

At that time, Ryan and Dion contracts will have less years making them easier buy out candidates/trade and retain situation should new ownership be in place.